Denna Chandrian, Denna took the suggestion of the Chandrian seriously at the Mauthen farm and seemed to agree they were dangerous. [6][2] Come Wash in the River or Come Wash: Denna sings a verse of it to Kvothe when they are looking for Master Ash. Could Kvothe have handled it better? Of course, but the blame and ignorance is a split loaf here. He finds Denna at the scene and that she was performing at the wedding at the behest of her new a patron, whom they come to call Master Ash, but does not know his name because he is extremely secretive. I think we're supposed to despise her and feel confused as to why Kvothe doesn't feel the same. May 7, 2015 · After reading both books in the KKC multiple times, I've come to the theory that Denna is the female chandrian? She has the perfect lifestyle to jump from patron to patron to make sure nothing about the chandrian is in anyone's library. I think Denna (thinks she?) knows things about the Chandrian that Kvothe doesn't even begin to understand. There, Kvothe finds Denna, injured. Once another character is aware of this information I feel that the stage will be set for the betrayal. He provides leadership, direction, and management for the Offices of Admissions and UF Online Enrollment Services. Most likely, he will have done this in an effort to restore Denna to life, an echo of the story of Lanre and Lyra. Denna only agrees the Mauthen farm was Chandrian cause the evidence of rust and blue flame matches the Childs song about the Chandrian. Cinder has a sword that is described similarly to the sword Kvothe hangs on the wall of the inn. What if this nursery rhyme is talking about the signs of the Chandrian when it was written but is also a prediction of their movements in the future? Like a prophecy foretelling the arrival of their newest member: Denna. Denna is an agent of the Chandrian and thus is opposed to the order Amyr. Drawing upon his time with Denna, Kvothe writes songs and letters to Meluan for the Maer, with much success. Just a thought. . Master Ash may be using Denna's writing and singing of the Lanre song as a sort of bait to draw the Chandrian to the Amyr. Obviously the general consensus is Denna's patron is likely to be one of the Chandrian. In NOTW, when Denna and Kvothe meet after the mauthen wedding, Denna knows the fire was blue, Kvothe threw out that he thought it was the Chandrian, Denna was completely on board. Denna was found by Kvothe in an inn where she was being treated for injuries. Associate Vice President of Community Development, Education, and Operations Division of Workforce, Career, and Community Education "Someone's parents have been singing entirely the wrong sort of songs" ―Cinder to Kvothe[1] Cinder is a member of the Chandrian. One of the Chandrian wouldn't walk into your bar asking for a woman you used to love, and you'd point to her and casually bring it up later. I've heard a theory that she isn't necessarily a Chandrian, but has made a deal with one of them for insert her heart's desire here. Kvothe buys a lute despite his poverty, and performs brilliantly at a famous musical tavern to earn money, where he also befriends Denna again. I recognized a stro g link between Denna, and the Chandrian. The first part was when Denna turned out to be the one singing at the Eolian. If Denna is really under the control or influence of the Chandrian, perhaps her role is as a trap to either Kvothe directly, or even to lure powerful namers/shapers in general in an attempt to control the balance of power (or "for the greater good"). Can she be related to chandrian? Denna is very involved with Kvothe, AND likely involved with the Chandrian. Then there’s her “charm” from her patron, meant to protect her from harm. Lee has extensive experience in creating and implementing I misread a line near the end of book two that made me think Kvothe thought that the Chandrian were Denna patrons. Ash is perhaps the Chandrian, and she's beholden to him. She called him a child for believing in the chandrian despite the fact she had earlier admitting it likely they were responsible for the Mauthen Farm. Denna is a Chandrian in training in the way that Kvothe is an Amyr in training and, if the Chandrian are Capulets and the Amyr are Montagues, this whole tale boils down to Romeo and Juliet. He has shoulder-length, curly, white hair and matte black eyes with no sclera. the chandrian’s true names won’t be corrupted by semantics, though there are exciting possibilities with the prospect of an entire continent’s alar fixated upon a single thing, yet that’s drawing me into territory farther afield than the scope of this post, so I’ll refrain from linking to general magic theory posts unasked Cinder is speculated to be Denna's patron, largely based on Kvothe guessing names similar to Ferule/Ferula when making up a name. Another interpretation is that Denna knows signifcantly more than she's letting on (ylish story knots, her song about lanre, the odd ties of her patron and Cinder), and therefore she KNOWS that the Chandrian aren't to be talked about in such a way. Denna has a mysterious patron who possibly forces her to write a song that paints Lanrey in a posetive light, and who else would do that than one of the Chandrian, while Denna was was in Vint so was Cinder (there's no such thing as coincidence in these books) Other than Haliax it doesnt necessarily say that a Chandrian cant get replaced so to Question about The Wise Man's Fear: “Why is Denna so shittily written? In fact why is this thing full of wish fulfillment cardboard-cutouts? Also, why d First two lines are applicable to Denna, she never tells her real name ( names are important in this series) , she is suspicious character. I love both books, and I believe Denna is a fucking Chandrian and that's why Kvothe is so blind to her. An aside: Kvothe's desire for knowledge about the Chandrian and the fact that he was seen/was hurt by the Chandrian seems to be one of his great secrets. Melvin Associate Vice President for Enrollment Management and Executive Director of Admissions Lee H. It would be the most compelling if it turned out that Denna and Kvothe were on opposite sides of the war and that the king Kvothe kills has ties to Denna. " A woman pale as snow, who arrives and leaves without warning? Sounds a lot like Denna. Upon rereading I realized that is… Alright, on to the main event. The song is very much like the one Arliden wrote about Lanre, but it shows him in a positive light, rather than as the unspeakable Haliax who leads the Chandrian. Denna scoffs at Kvothe for believing in the Chandrian, and after this he stops trying to control his temper and they lose any chance of understanding each other. . When Kvothe rode to Trebon, chasing rumors of blue fire, which is a tell-tale sign of The Chandrian, they finally met for more than a couple of hours. It's possible Denna is keeping tabs on both Kvothe and the Chandrian for the Amyr, or, maybe, the Amyr and Chandrian are working together/one in the same. But why and to what end? Personally, I think after the… This post will cover subtle Evidence that Denna is aligned with the Chandrian, that Kvothe knows about it in the frame story, and that Kvothe knows that he tragically committed Lanre's Folly. Other crazy theory time! (As I mentioned I had two) Kvothe will, by the end of the Doors of Stone, have killed Cinder and taken his place amongst the Chandrian. He is best known in the chronicle for the murder of Kvothe's parents. It read that they show up at random when you least expect it, and only when people have been talkig about them and then disappear. When kvothe was finally given access to the archives hw found a poem about the chandrian. What if Denna's Patron is actually one of the Chandrian. When Kvothe tries to find Denna, dhe is always somewhere else. The second was when she showed up when Kvothe went looking for the Chandrian. I don’t think it’s through any sense of care or preservation for her, but merely because she’s a piece he’s using to achieve their goals. The Chandrian are a group of seven beings, possibly Ruach, known in myth, folklore, and children's stories throughout Temerant. While Denna doesn’t cause literal silence, the emotional aftermath of her departures leaves a very similar kind of emptiness in Kvothe’s world — a hush, a void that almost feels supernatural. The possibilities include, but aren't limited to: Denna forgets their previous encounter (she definitely forgot parts of it, at least), Denna now knows the Chandrian are real and for whatever reason is lying, Denna was only humouring Kvothe last time, etc. Within the frame, Kvothe is one of the Chandrian. Cut to WMF, when Denna shows Kvothe her song and they fight/ he mentions the Chandrian, she acts like he’s insane and like she doesn’t believe in the Chandrian. And just like Kvothe is looking for the Chandrian but doesn't ask directly, but asks about things adjacent, so too with Denna. The Chandrian murdered Kvothe's troupe simply because Arliden, Kvothe's father, composed a song that contained the names of the Chandrian, and they also murdered an entire wedding group after the hosts had exhumed a piece of pottery depicting some or all of the Chandrian. Some theories even suggest that she might become a Chandrian herself, taking the place of the woman mentioned here: See a woman pale as snow? Silent come and silent go. Cinder is Denna’s patron. Denna grew paler as she realized what I was implying. Melvin is an Associate Vice President for Enrollment Management and the Executive Director of Admissions. The Cthaeh is revealed to always tell the truth, but that it will do so in a way so as to cause the worst possible outcomes. and Kvothe was too young to understand the reasons for his troupes death; he only knows it was the Chandrian. Ash, is one of The… Denna Chandrian is on Facebook. She could be feigning ignorance to hide from the Chandrian (to not end up like Kvothe's family), or she could be doing so in an effort to protect The Chandrian are often associated with unnatural silence. Denna presents a song she has been writing with Master Ash to Kvothe. The Cthaeh also mentions that the Chandrian have lots of practice hiding their appearance from mortals, and the Cthaeh specifically states that Cinder can hide his black eyes. Ash that brought her He could have pulled Denna aside before the rest of the Chandrian showed up to make sure she lives, then joins up with the rest of them to do their dirty work. If she's not a Chandrian, her goals align and she's working with them closely. Hearing reports of blue fire and murder at a rural wedding, he suspects the Chandrian and visits the site. I the Amyr did something horrible to Denna in the same way the Chandrian did something horrible to Kvothe. Lastly the transposition of The Chandrian were real. In NotW, when Kvothe and Denna are trundling around the Mauthen farm searching for clues, Denna seems more than happy to accept the existence of the Chandrian and that they murdered the wedding guests. Despite being on opposite sides of this ancient conflict, Kvothe loves Denna, and Denna loves Kvothe. [4][5] Chandrian, chandrian: A children's song depicting the signs of the Chandrian. The Chandrian listen when people pray to Tehlu, presumably because “angels” are coming as described in one of the stories about them “disappearing forever from the sight of men” or something like that. The only thing I can say to support this is his cruelty and secretive nature; and biggest proof for this speculation is his "convenient" disappearance right at the massacre at the wedding. just added a bit more tinfoil to my hat. They are also known as the Nameless, Rhinta, and the Seven. Denna has a mysterious patron who possibly forces her to write a song that paints Lanrey in a posetive light, and who else would do that than one of the Chandrian, while Denna was was in Vint so was Cinder (there's no such thing as coincidence in these books) Other than Haliax it doesnt necessarily say that a Chandrian cant get replaced so to Kvothe either is or will become one of the Amyr, or at least aligned with the Amyr’s purpose. It's also why she shows up in his life conveniently. Consider: 1) Denna’s patron has white hair and is graceful, as is Cinder. If there was a book series dedicated to Denna, there would be just as much ground to cover, but finding out a hint of her backstory would be enough for The Doors of Stone. Denna Chandrian is on Facebook. Denna was the one that started their argument and pushed it over the edge. Denna there very often as men like to take her there. What's their plan? Chandrian. My personal feelings on Master Ash and Denna are that he is in fact cinder, and trying to use her to get the other members of the chandrian to target certain places. It sounds likely that Mr. Enjoy, if you will, (or not) my tinfoil hat theory about Denna and The Chandrian. Denna is known to disappear suddenly and without warning and when she and Kvothe are at the mauthen farm it says “She looked around,the bruise on her temple a sharp contrast against her pale skin” In the song about the chandrian it says “See a woman pale as snow? Silent come and silent go. Dec 18, 2018 · Could Denna be one of the chandrian? The vase that Nina saw had 8 people on it and 2 were women. Denna seems to find her patron almost silly with his level of secrecy, describing him as bored and dramatic - you wouldn't say that about one of the Chandrian, even if you didn't know what they were. Next I wanted to see if anyone has noticed allusions to Lanre. Denna thinks Kvothe is making a joke, then laughs when Kvothe tells her that she's got it all wrong, that Lanre was a monster and a traitor, and that she needs to change it. Kvothe doesn't offer any kind of motive or historical context about the Chandrian to convince her. Feb 1, 2025 · Denna and the Chandrian: Denna's mysterious patron, Master Ash, and her connection to the Mauthen wedding, hint at a possible link to the Chandrian, adding a layer of complexity to her character and her relationship with Kvothe. She nodded and chanted the chorus softly to herself: See a woman pale as snow? Denna/chandrian theory [spoilers] We all know about the silence of three parts, but do you guys remember that chronicler says that there is a new chandrian out there. ” Lee H. So, as many have said, there are many clues indicating that Denna is working for the Chandrian. This is a story of star-crossed lovers, doomed from the outset. Edit: I mean every other character sees nothing in her. He shows some delight in cruelty, however It further stuck out as often sought and seldom found, as it seems like the Chandrian had to flee after killing Kvothe's troupe. Chandrian. Another interesting tidbit I noticed on a re-read was when Kvothe asks the innkeeper about the wedding he tells him his cousin came to town for the wedding. There is defiantly something fishy about Mr. It just makes sense given the location of Denna in certain parts of the world, either at a wedding where the Chandrian struck, or in Vintas where it is known that Cinder is in charge of bandits way-laying the Maer’s taxes. Cinder is described as having sharp, perfect features, and porcelain skin. The proximity is telling, as is the way the Cthaeh describes him beating Denna. Assuming it is the Chandrian, he desperately buys a horse and rides 80 miles in a day to learn more information. There are lots of theories about that. I think Denna's story is somewhat the same as Kvothe, only mirrored with Chandrian/Amyr switching good and evil roles (apparent from her song) All that to say, I think something is definitely up with Denna, but I think most of your evidence could point to her being involved with the Chandrian in a secondary way and not directly. So that is not really strange. Denna also plays another variant on her harp. When Kvothe then comes out and spouts a bunch of childish claptrap about the Chandrian, this is her response. I’ve seen theories that Denna’s patron, Mr. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. Join Facebook to connect with Denna Chandrian and others you may know. dumvuz, 1dqh, o6ec, dui0, j0e6m, sxaswt, tllb, 2qe4s, ckmx5, itejgw,